greydog13
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Message Posted: May 17, 2013 11:07:07 PM
At least E10 is still under $4 at this time.
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diesdown
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Message Posted: Jun 10, 2012 1:57:44 PM
wrong....
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timmyC4
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Message Posted: Jun 9, 2012 9:21:00 AM
Ok
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greydog13
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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 7:49:16 PM
E10 down to $3.109 in some locations today.
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gamechanger2011
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Message Posted: May 29, 2012 11:23:07 PM
Gamechanger2011 - you continually spark great conversations and this is another star by my count,
I appreciate the discussions you generate and learn a lot from them - please keep up the excellent effort!
JoeThanks Joe. You are one of the kinder people on Gasbuddy. You raise the bar for the rest of us!
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reb4
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Message Posted: May 29, 2012 11:29:13 AM
silverstreaker, you might want to look at that site you posted. Last time they bothered to test (according to the report) is back in 2008.
Other Non attaiment areas seem to have stations with ethanol free in the fuel...
Or maybe the epa has tested and don't want to release that information for fear of national security...
[Edited by: reb4 at 5/29/2012 12:29:57 PM EST]
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tropicalmn
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Message Posted: May 29, 2012 11:26:10 AM
“The ethanol and corn lobbyist have ensured that i don't have the choice to buy it or not.”
Fictitious conspiracy theory otherwise known as “Shocky’s Facts”
“And why are people not allowed to choose not to use ethanol?”
Because you’re local gas stations made the choice to not dedicate a pump to E0 in order to pander to the potential 5 gallons a week of their local propaganda preaching Prius owner.
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greydog13
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Message Posted: May 29, 2012 11:23:50 AM
I filled up last night for $3.129--that was for E10.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: May 29, 2012 9:40:41 AM
"Since you live in one of the largest Nonattainment Areas, the EPA requires that the gas in your area be oxygenated. Good attempt at deception!"
Don't see my county listed anywhere on your link SS...
Sorry, wrong again...
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: May 29, 2012 9:19:51 AM
Shockjock1961 asks:
"And why are people not allowed to choose not to use ethanol?
Could it be due to the federal mandate on the usage of ethanol?"
As your fellow anti-ethanolics point out, non-ethanol fuel is available across the US. Since you live in one of the largest Nonattainment Areas, the EPA requires that the gas in your area be oxygenated. Good attempt at deception!
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: May 29, 2012 7:53:38 AM
"Shockjock, it seems that there are many places that do not give a choice of fuels to those who gripe about the ethanol-blended gas"
And why are people not allowed to choose not to use ethanol?
Could it be due to the federal mandate on the usage of ethanol?
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nurdco
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Message Posted: May 29, 2012 1:37:42 AM
Price iz still Ttoo High
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greydog13
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Message Posted: May 28, 2012 10:58:35 PM
Shockjock, it seems that there are many places that do not give a choice of fuels to those who gripe about the ethanol-blended gas. Sometimes it is in other corn producing states, it would appear. Perhaps it is just the coasts and the metro areas. As I do not see a difference in ethanol or non-ethanol, I will help support the farmers with ethanol in our cars.
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Banjoe
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Message Posted: May 28, 2012 7:54:25 PM
Gamechanger2011 - you continually spark great conversations and this is another star by my count,
I appreciate the discussions you generate and learn a lot from them - please keep up the excellent effort!
Joe
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RHINO4
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Message Posted: May 28, 2012 4:48:58 PM
I also did a non-scientific experiment using several tanks of E-10 vs. regular gas. I drove my car to work and back with three tanks of e-10 fuel. Then I drove it the same ( to work and back)with three tanks of pure non-ethanol fuel. I drove our other car for all other errands. I got three miles per gallon better mileage on the pure gas. I have not paid more than five cents a gallon more for pure gas. I run only pure gas in all my small engines.
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cheapmonkee
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Message Posted: May 28, 2012 11:39:38 AM
Like just about everyone else, it is about bottom line, COST PER MILE.
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reb4
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Message Posted: May 28, 2012 8:13:37 AM
cheapmonkee, green if it pays?
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: May 27, 2012 3:18:18 PM
"As we are in the "heart" of corn country, seems odd that we have the choice of ethanol or non-ethanol"
Why is that odd?
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cheapmonkee
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Message Posted: May 27, 2012 1:22:41 PM
I would buy it if there was a sane price spread in my town. The difference is only 10-20 cents. Not enough spread to justify its use.
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greydog13
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Message Posted: May 27, 2012 11:54:01 AM
As we are in the "heart" of corn country, seems odd that we have the choice of ethanol or non-ethanol. The ethanol is generally about 10 cents cheaper, despite the subsidies going away. And if it makes some of you feel better, I use regular/non-ethanol in my old tractor, lawn tractor, etc.
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jay93LA
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Message Posted: May 27, 2012 11:13:10 AM
no if I have a choice
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: May 27, 2012 8:25:29 AM
"cause I figure if you don't like ethanol, don't buy/use it"
Ah! There's the rub. The ethanol and corn lobbyist have ensured that i don't have the choice to buy it or not. E0 cannot be found in my area...
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: May 27, 2012 12:53:01 AM
greydog13, welcome to Gasbuddys! I have experimented with blend of ethanol in two non-FFVs, with over 35% ethanol in a Honda CRV and over 65% in a Ford Windstar. I have not seen any significant change in mileage.
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greydog13
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Message Posted: May 27, 2012 12:45:39 AM
I did a non-scientific experiment using several tanks of E-10 vs. regular gas. Had no significant difference in mpg. With a farm background, in farm country, I choose to support the farm industry by using ethanol blend. Perhaps our gas stations are different around here by offering blended AND non-blended [no ethanol] fuels cause I figure if you don't like ethanol, don't buy/use it.
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: May 26, 2012 10:47:58 PM
tomintx, how about supplying some proof for your statements? Must be breathing too many lead fumes.
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tomintx
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Message Posted: May 26, 2012 10:36:23 PM
"I will not use gasoline because I have had enough blood on these hands "
Then you are a fool. Ethanol production takes more oil than it displaces in the fuel supply. Most of our oil comes from US and Canadian sources. I don't recall a lot of troops defending Canada.
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reb4
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Message Posted: May 26, 2012 7:05:35 AM
so johnnyenergye85, using your logic, you support the troops 85 % (e85 ranges from 85 % to 55% ethanol).. and you use 15% gasoline.. is that correct???
Seems to be a problem with your statement...
"I will not use gasoline because I have had enough blood on these hands"
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tattoo666TX
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Message Posted: May 25, 2012 10:35:08 PM
I stopped at a little place on HWY 84 just outside of Rusk Tx. today that has 2 pumps, and they only sell Premium NON-ETHANOL gas!
Yup, filed it up, then heading back home stopped and topped it off!
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JonnyEnergyE85
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Message Posted: May 25, 2012 9:51:56 PM
I will use e85 this day and every day to show my support to our soldiers. I dont want their children giving their lives protecting our Foreign oil interest. I will not use gasoline because I have had enough blood on these hands
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mr157ifhz
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Message Posted: May 25, 2012 8:20:15 PM
'It is for this same reason that I buy Aviation gasoline for my small engine outdoor power equipment. That gas has stabilizers in it and NO ETHANOL. '
~Good for you, Tomintx, run avgas because it has no ethanol in it. It only has something called LEAD. Just for fun, take your engine apart after running it on avgas for a while. First thing you will say is 'why is the inside of my engine so filthy?' (lead deposites) I have two planes - neither one runs on avgas because of one, the lead content, and two, my service intervals are greatly increased running no lead mogas. Another bonus: I've never had water in the fuel sumps. Your engines will be much happier running on ethanol-enhanced gasoline than on avgas.
Ethanol will attack polyester resins. Sounds like your tank is made from that. Since your tank is molded in, looks like your screwed. Do the environment a favour though - don't run leaded avgas in your boat or power equipment
-Matt
[Edited by: mr157ifhz at 5/25/2012 9:20:48 PM EST]
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antiguzzle
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Message Posted: May 25, 2012 7:23:26 PM
I'm sorry for your troubles Tom. You can thank your communist local politicians for your lack of choices. Amazingly, there are some in this very forum that would, if they had the power, take every bit of pure gasoline off the market and force you to put corn in your boats and power equipment.
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tomintx
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Message Posted: May 25, 2012 5:15:21 PM
This Memorial Day weekend, I will be driving 50 miles out of town to buy a tank of fuel that is 100% real gasoline, with no fermentation byproducts added. This is the only way I can prevent the damage to my boat if I were to leave even a drop of ethanol in its built-in tank for longer than a couple weeks. StaBil is good, but not enough.
At 10MPG pulling the boat for the complete 108 mile round trip, I am spending an extra 2 hours out of my holiday weekend + $40.00 out of my pocket just so that I can buy real gas.
It is for this same reason that I buy Aviation gasoline for my small engine outdoor power equipment. That gas has stabilizers in it and NO ETHANOL. I NEVER have trouble getting them to start. It's $5.62/gallon right now, but time savings in carb-rebuilds makes this cheap.
[Edited by: tomintx at 5/25/2012 6:15:43 PM EST]
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gamechanger2011
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Message Posted: May 24, 2012 10:41:54 PM
timmyc4...there is a mandate in most largely populated cities to blend because of a thing called "The Clean Air Act".
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timmyC4
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Message Posted: May 24, 2012 5:53:10 PM
Why is there a mandate to mix the fuel if it was so great?
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: May 24, 2012 12:20:30 PM
"My spouse and I think that people should have a choice at the pump"
Sure, you believe in choice, just as long as people are forced to "choose" to buy ethanol...
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gamechanger2011
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Message Posted: May 24, 2012 10:43:32 AM
brerrabbitTX...the article just gives the reasons for choosing ethanol. The first reason is price, so I think that you would agree with that.
My spouse and I think that people should have a choice at the pump. That's why we offer E85, and other blends where we have blender pumps.
[Edited by: gamechanger2011 at 5/24/2012 11:43:45 AM EST]
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gamechanger2011
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Message Posted: May 24, 2012 10:31:59 AM
Price is key! Some people do care about ethanol versus gas, but not enough! I think that it's hard to find E85 anywhere in Oklahoma or Texas. You guys are big oil states. Kansas is a mixed bag. We are an oil state but people are open to E85 here as well. Then there's Nebraska...big corn state. E85 stations everywhere.
[Edited by: gamechanger2011 at 5/24/2012 11:36:09 AM EST]
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brerrabbitTX
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Message Posted: May 24, 2012 10:11:47 AM
The reality is the vast majority of Americans don't care about ethanol vs gas, vs anything else. In the truest sense of all things American all they care about is price, the cheaper the better. If they could safely run their cars on fairy dust and it was $2.00 a gallon with the same perfoemance they would abandon gas and ethanol today.
It's all about the cost!!!!!
Why do you think Wal Mart is the worlds leading retailer? It's all about the cost! The few that debate the pros and cons of ethanol on these boards in no way represent the majority of the American people.
So since I will buy E-10 for all my Memorial Day weekend activities because I do not own a FFV and quite frankly can't even tell you where an E-85 station is in my part of the world but am forced to buy E-10 in my area because that is what is mandated am I a semi good/ semi bad American patriot because I am really not making a choice?
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: May 24, 2012 10:01:28 AM
antiguzzle wrote: "Any time I can oppose communistic agendas put forth by my government, I am doing something for the freedom loving people of America."
So far you went on the public forum to whine about E10. Grow up.
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: May 24, 2012 9:38:35 AM
Shockjock1961 wrote: "If anything approaches a communistic approach, it would be the government MANDATING the use of ethanol..."
I believe you meant this - If anything approaches a communistic approach, it would be the government subsidizing higher education.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: May 24, 2012 9:10:37 AM
"Any time I can oppose communistic agendas put forth by my government, I am doing something for the freedom loving people of America"
Hmmmm...
If anything approaches a communistic approach, it would be the government MANDATING the use of ethanol...
So if you opposed communistic agendas wouldn't you oppose ethanol like the plague it is?
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gamechanger2011
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Message Posted: May 23, 2012 10:45:12 PM
Give me a break Antiguzzle....this is a "Gas" site. Of course most people posting on here are against ethanol. It doesn't represent anything! Talked about a being biased!
Many people are for alternative fuel. Henry Ford's first cars were made to run on ethanol. Ethanol is made in America by American's! It doesn't get much better then that!
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antiguzzle
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Message Posted: May 23, 2012 3:24:42 PM
- "antiguzzle's motto: It is not what I can to for my country but what my country can do for me."
--- Any time I can oppose communistic agendas put forth by my government, I am doing something for the freedom loving people of America. I could care less about government - government is FOR the people. Government answers to the population, not vice versa.
Corn for fuel is not OF the people, BY the people, or FOR the people; in fact the majority of Americans are against Corn for fuel, just look at all the NO's that get posted to the various threads in here daily.
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timmyC4
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Message Posted: May 23, 2012 10:28:27 AM
Buy Merican !
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gamechanger2011
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Message Posted: May 23, 2012 10:23:55 AM
KC...exactly!
antiguzzle's motto: "It is not what I can to for my country but what my country can do for me."
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StillWillIV
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Message Posted: May 23, 2012 9:46:45 AM
NO.
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: May 23, 2012 9:15:20 AM
antiguzzle wrote: "On Memorial Day I will be honoring America and all the men and women who have died for my right to choose PURE GASOLINE."
Pure communism. antiguzzle in only interested in collecting benefits achieved by others hard work and their ultimate sacrifice.
antiguzzle's motto: "It is not what I can to for my country but what my country can do for me."
[Edited by: krzysiek_ck at 5/23/2012 10:18:35 AM EST]
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jacksfan
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Message Posted: May 23, 2012 9:02:24 AM
"how odd.."
Only in your mind, antiguzzle, only in your mind.
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OceansidePoms
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Message Posted: May 23, 2012 8:38:02 AM
umm no...
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jay93LA
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Message Posted: May 23, 2012 5:58:45 AM
just say no
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